i'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.
or something along that line.
i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?
CalebInFloroda
The New Testament makes it very clear that Gentile Christians are NOT obligated to observe the Mosaic Law or meet any of its demands as a requisite for salvation.
They are just a bunch of idiots. I just didn't know how idiotic they were, especially since they don't really want to put forth the effort to learn what the Bible really teaches.
i was born into this religion.
i was a jw for well over 30 years.
i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.
CalebInFloroda
If the leadership is just out to take some type of advantage of the followers, the leadership will exit at the first sign of trouble. It is clear that they are not doing that, and that is a sign they are lost in their own web.
The leadership is not backing down, more than likely they will start printing study articles explaining this as an attack by Satan and his hordes. They will probably encourage the rank and file that in order to be approved by Jehovah in the great universal issue of Universal Sovereignty, they must be willing to go to prison or even accept death to make it into the paradise earth.
i was born into this religion.
i was a jw for well over 30 years.
i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.
CalebInFloroda
When ideologies began to spin out of control—and they all do, because they are not only destructive to the world around them, they are self-destructive—more than a few members begin to act like they did in Jonestown before that mass murder/suicide at the Guyana commune in 1978.
Caleb, do you think that the WT is heading in that direction? Especially with all the news coming out.
remember there was a talk about not listening to "false stories" about sexual abuse from apostates on jw's fantasy station?
did the governing body put it out there as preemptive damage control because they knew this was coming?
they must have had subpoenas giving them a heads up.
Did the Governing Body put it out there as preemptive damage control because they knew this was coming?
Is this why they starting asking for all the money from all the Kingdom Halls??
Do they know more is coming?
i just heard this a few minutes ago by a jw friend who is still an elder in my old hall.
the kingdom hall i used to attend and my mom still attends was paid off many years ago and serves about 6 congregations.
one of the english congregations has a lot of financially well of members.
Marvin Shilmer
Just the simple act of sitting through ONE day of one of those KM schools for elders was horrendous!!! Insult is added to injury with the realization that the whole thing is one colossal waste of time.
My last KM School that I attended, I was assigned to sit between two brothers who were about 350lbs each and about 5' 6" tall. All day long! I won't go into detail of all the sounds and smells I had to put up with.
It was my last KM school.
i just heard this a few minutes ago by a jw friend who is still an elder in my old hall.
the kingdom hall i used to attend and my mom still attends was paid off many years ago and serves about 6 congregations.
one of the english congregations has a lot of financially well of members.
WingCommander
I bet those poor Elders are ready to either 1.) shoot themselves or 2.) shoot the C.O.You forgot number 3---shoot the wife who sided with the Watchtower.
well i was loathe to start a new thread on the australian royal commission, but i've been reading in thread after thread how jw's are trying to dismiss what's happening with "it's persecution".. if anyone says this to you, just respond "it's not persecution, it's accountability.
they are being called to explain their procedures, and nothing more.".
persecution is hostility against someones religion.this is not against the jw religion, it's against procedures that jw's champion as being 'the best in the world' when in reality, and with a little analysis are proving to be among the most harmful.
we know that after the 1975 fiasco there were some revolts and disappointments in the brotherhood, which finally caused the removal of raymond franz and overseers like james penton, and so on.
so, may be these news could cause the revolt of some members in the leadership.
any thoughts?
I don't think so, it's still to small. It has to be really really big and constant like every month and hitting every news outlet. Even to the point where it becomes a constant item for joking by comedians on television like SNL. To the point where it becomes to embarrassing to be associated with the Watchtower.
has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?
i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?
well, i don't know what the rules are over there.
A few weeks ago they had a local needs talk in my mom's congregation. The theme of the talk was;
(Isaiah 52:11) . . .touch nothing unclean. . .
The brother emphasized to the congregation that if they expect Jehovah to give them everlasting life in the paradise earth, then they will stay away from any "News" or internet articles that badmouths the Watchtower.
To listen to such news is "Touching the Unclean thing"
So I guess no one will even listen to what's happening now.
i was born into this religion.
i was a jw for well over 30 years.
i did much research before i had internet, i compared bibles and prayed deeply to help me to know if this was the truth.
maksutov
I think they both believe it (consciously) and also know it is not true (suppressed) - just like I did when I was a member.
I totally agree with this because it is exactly what I experienced. I believed it was true, but at the same time I knew it wasn't true. It's only when the contradictions are to much to bear that I finally decided to put them to the test and they failed. And even at that, it was difficult accepting. Now the question was, should I DA or should I fade and stay? The GB has more to lose, they are old, have no marketable skills to survived in the world, so if they admit the truth that it is a scam, then they get disfellowshipped, shunned, and are thrown in the streets. Why would they do that and cut their own throat?
